opposed the president on health care. now a huge jump, 45% of independents are against obama's plans for reform. 52% of independent voters opposed that public option. by comparison, just 22% of democrats oppose it. joe, how does he deal with that hot issue, that public option in his health care plan when democrats seem to like it, independents don't? >> he has to tough this one out. when i have been out there at town meetings talking to independent voters about the public option, the clearest thing is they don't know what it is. they think it means their doctor is going to be taken away and some socialist is going to take their blood pressure. once this happens, and they see that the public option is only a very, very, very minor provision in this, i think the numbers will go back up. chris: that may be true, 4 million or 6 million people are involved with the public option. it's a choice. government, they don't like that word out there as independent voters. >> there is too much government.